zxDaveM Posted June 5, 2021 Author Share Posted June 5, 2021 well, he didn't win, so there won't be any headlines to catch your searches tomorrow! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 Project Dante goes in the 1st race at today's Royal Ascot meeting, at about 7/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 Vadream out for a spin at Ascot this afternoon, dropping back a furlong from her last race. Bit of an outsider though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 6 hours ago, zxDaveM said: Vadream out for a spin at Ascot this afternoon, dropping back a furlong from her last race. Bit of an outsider though ran on really well in the last 2f to get 3rd @ 28/1, behind the joint favs for the 'boys in blue' of Godolphin in 1st and 2nd. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted July 5, 2021 Author Share Posted July 5, 2021 Topically, a horse called Vaccine won today (at Ayr), and last week a horse called Lockdown won (and both at fairly long odds). Sadly, I only noticed them AFTER they had won 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 18 hours ago, zxDaveM said: Topically, a horse called Vaccine won today (at Ayr), and last week a horse called Lockdown won (and both at fairly long odds). Sadly, I only noticed them AFTER they had won and to complete the treble today, Epidemic runs at Pontefract, at a very short price! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 I’m not sure I could bring myself to call a horse Vaccine Lockdown or Epidemic though 😱 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, LinMM said: I’m not sure I could bring myself to call a horse Vaccine Lockdown or Epidemic though 😱 I was thinking that too - but obviously someone did! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted July 8, 2021 Author Share Posted July 8, 2021 Project Dante out for another spin, at Newmarket this afternoon, and is one of the market leaders. Has a decent chance of success 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted July 8, 2021 Author Share Posted July 8, 2021 5 hours ago, zxDaveM said: Project Dante out for another spin, at Newmarket this afternoon, and is one of the market leaders. Has a decent chance of success I cursed him, as he was last but one! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 Vadream runs again today, at York races. She's fav for her race, and after several very good runs in even higher quality races, deserves to get her head in front in this one 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 And the human Vadream runs again tonight, in Act 3 of Sleeping Beauty. Wishing them both a successful outing today!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oncnp Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 14 hours ago, zxDaveM said: Vadream runs again today, at York races. She's fav for her race, and after several very good runs in even higher quality races, deserves to get her head in front in this one Looks like she came second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted July 10, 2021 Author Share Posted July 10, 2021 12 hours ago, oncnp said: Looks like she came second. indeed - never looked likely to catch the winner (a winner for The Queen, no less) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted July 26, 2021 Author Share Posted July 26, 2021 Baryshnikov runs at Ayr today, and is fav for the 3.55 race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 Vadream out again today, at Glorious Goodwood. Has a good shout too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 6 hours ago, zxDaveM said: Vadream out again today, at Glorious Goodwood. Has a good shout too unfortunately, the jockey gave her no chance with a very indifferent ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 How can you tell when the jockey gives the horse an indifferent ride? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 3 hours ago, LinMM said: How can you tell when the jockey gives the horse an indifferent ride? It was a typical Jamie Spencer ride - way off the pace, tried to find a way through a host of horses too close to the running rail (perhaps should have come round the field down the middle of the track). By the time he had a clear run on her, the winner (and other placed horses) had gone past the winning post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 Ballet Steps runs in the 2yo maiden race at Beverley today. Trainer good at getting newcomers ready to race! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 5 hours ago, zxDaveM said: Ballet Steps runs in the 2yo maiden race at Beverley today. Trainer good at getting newcomers ready to race! went in at the alarmingly short price of 5/4 A winner is a winner though! 🙂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Sorry to be such a div but what does 5/4 mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 hour ago, LinMM said: Sorry to be such a div but what does 5/4 mean? the betting odds: if you put £4 on, you win £5, plus your stake of £4, so a return of £9 altogether. Or as is more usual in my case, you put £4 on and the horse comes second so you get nowt back!! lol The history of betting prices and how a bookmaker's 'book' works is fascinating, and the actual odds (the fractional ones) originated from the old £sd money (half crowns and shillings and all that) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 I understand things like 5 to 1 or 10 to 1 etc etc and so on but when it says 5/4 that looks more complicated and interesting how it would get to 5/4 as opposed to say 6/1 ( same profit....I think!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 minute ago, LinMM said: I understand things like 5 to 1 or 10 to 1 etc etc and so on but when it says 5/4 that looks more complicated and interesting how it would get to 5/4 as opposed to say 6/1 ( same profit....I think!) I don't think sums are your strong suit lol!! If you put £4 on at 6/1, you'd get 6 x 4 = £24 profit, plus your £4 back, so a return of £28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 No what I meant was 6-1 would be £1 on and £6 if you win but minus the £1 you paid so isn’t that a profit of £5? I have no idea why a horse would be going at 5/1 as opposed to 5/4 ....is it decided by how many people are actually placing bets on that horse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Actually I keep reading the info about the 5/4 post above and I still don’t get it!! You pay out £4 ...if it’s a win you get £5 back ( so at this point a profit of £1) But you also get the original £4 back so isn’t that a profit of £5 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate_N Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 I keep seeing this pop up on my Unread Posts feed, and thought I would tell you about an experiment/game a friend and I played. We used to go the races together - mostly jump racing - and I would randomly pick horses due to their literary, or theatrical names. I never bet more than £5, though! So we set up a spreadsheet over one whole jump race season, picking horses by the principle of their names. He's a geologist by trade, so his picks were all about rocks, and petrol & mining ... I chose arty names. And guess what? We ended the season pretty much on a par. So, you know, arty names do well!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Going back to betting odds on horses I see.... (it’s so long now since I’ve actually placed a bet ...at least ten years ago...) that Say in the previous 6/1 example you get the £1 you put on back as well as the winnings so it would be £7 profit as you don’t lose the £1 you put on 🙄 Still having a go at the 5/4 one You put £4 on you win £5 but you keep the £4 you put on so would win £9! I think I’ve got it I think I’ve got it!! So the nearest equivalent to 5/4 would be 8/1 where both would result in a £9 profit. What I was wanting to know is how do they decide whether a horse runs at 5/4 odds or 8/1 odds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneMarriott Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Perhaps if you stop thinking of the return of your stake (£4 or £1 in your examples) as profit it will be easier to understand how the betting odds work. If you put £100 into a savings account and at the end of the year you get £100 back you haven't made a profit - just got your "stake" back. If the bank had gone bust (or "lost the race") you would have lost your stake. As I understand it (zxDaveM will correct me if I'm wrong) odds are decided on what the bookies think are the chances of a horse winning a race, their aim of paying out the least amount possible in the event of it winning and their estimation of how much of a risk they think people are willing to take on the loss of their stake if it doesn't win. They do, after all, want people to bet! The longer the odds (e.g. 100/1) the less likely they think it is the horse will win and vice versa. So you might be willing to risk a stake of £1 on a horse whose name you fancy but who stands little chance of winning but you may not want to risk a larger stake of, say £10. In your 5/4 versus 8/1 example, if you forget about the return of the stake, there is a difference between risking a £10 stake for a chance of winning £80 and risking a £40 stake on a chance of winning £50. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangorballetboy Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 It sometimes helps to convert the odds to a "digital" number. So 5/4 would be 1.25, meaning your profit (if you win) is 1.25 times your stake. If you win, you always get your stake back, so your "return" from the bookie would be 2.25 (i.e. 1.25 + 1). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Thanks Anne that’s helpful. I do have a vague idea about it but I forgot that if the horse wins you do get the money back that you put on. I can see that 5/4 odds are not exactly the best but it’s interesting why it would be set at that as probably not many would bother to bet at those odds. I used to bet regularly on the Grand National a habit from living in Liverpool days but stopped doing it at least ten years ago probably more than that. I only ever went by the horses names lol! When I’ve watched on TV when you could see the horses being paraded around before the race and heard a bit about them that seemed a much better way to pick a winner but then no time to get to the betting shop lol!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 21 hours ago, LinMM said: Actually I keep reading the info about the 5/4 post above and I still don’t get it!! You pay out £4 ...if it’s a win you get £5 back ( so at this point a profit of £1) But you also get the original £4 back so isn’t that a profit of £5 🤔 you give the bookie £4 (your stake), he puts up £5, so £9 in total. Horse wins, you collect the £9 (i.e. £5 profit, plus your £4 stake back). Horse loses, your £4 and the bokkies fiver stay in his satchel. Which is usually what happens with me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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