Quintus Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Is there a rival production about Dogs that half of ENB can run off and join? 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangorballetboy Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Quintus said: Is there a rival production about Dogs that half of ENB can run off and join? "sit up, lie down, roll over, play dead..." 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiz Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I got the wrong Graham, Ian, and I would be grateful to the admins if they could delete that comment as I see someone else had already commented on it. I saw this morning on his Facebook page that Henri St Clair is touchingly proud of his wife as he has every right to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LH Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, jmhopton said: Yes I would love to see an Osipova /Coralles recording. No!! Please keep Takada, plus I suggest Vadim (see this lovely rehearsal) or with whoever, for this live streaming and any related released recording. She has danced this before to acclaim https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/theatre-dance/reviews/don-quixote-royal-opera-house-london-review-akane-takada-dazzles-as-natalia-osipova-suffers-on-stage-9939671.html The younger principal girls have had little enough opportunity for exposure in this way, as discussed on the Forum previously. Edited November 9, 2018 by Richard LH 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Macmillan Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Fiz: No problem, all tidied up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Richard LH said: No!! Please keep Takada, plus I suggest Vadim (see this lovely rehearsal) I would totally agree, Richard if it were not for the little problem of the schedule by which we booked for DonQ: 15th Feb.: Nunez/Muntagirov 16th Feb: Takada/McRae 19th Feb: Takada/McRae (cinema relay) 20th Feb: Nunez/Muntagirov But, whatever happens, there is no way that Takada should be replaced for the cinema. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Will Hay now get his chance?.....just a thought ....and they are dancing Two Pigeons together 😀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀⭐️⭐️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Wasn't thinking ....as its a cinema performance it would have to be principal performing....so Corrales .....Muntagirov possibly even Campbell? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 30 minutes ago, LinMM said: it would have to be principal performing....so Corrales I don't think Corrales is a principal - yet (unless you've heard anything about promotions mid season). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiz Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Thank you, Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I thought Corrales was taken on as a Principal with the Royal as he was a Principal with ENB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, LinMM said: I thought Corrales was taken on as a Principal with the Royal as he was a Principal with ENB No - he's a first soloist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Well that is interesting then as he has taken a drop in "standing" as it were to join the Royal....he must have been very keen then. To me he is then every inch a Principal in the making. He also does seem to be doing quite a lot of Principal roles this season. Is he doing more than other First soloists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Also that means Hay is still in with a chance then as he is a first soloist too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 41 minutes ago, LinMM said: Well that is interesting then as he has taken a drop in "standing" as it were to join the Royal....he must have been very keen then. To me he is then every inch a Principal in the making. He also does seem to be doing quite a lot of Principal roles this season. Is he doing more than other First soloists? I reckon he's doing more than some principals... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Let's think about this..........James Hay has not been cast as Basilio so it is surely very unlikely that he would suddenly be given the role AND the cinema relay in one big jump, and with only one show before the broadcast too. I am sure that I've heard Kevin O'Hare explain that there is an expectation that the cinema audiences will see Principals and that, to balance this, he likes to field Soloists for Insight relays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Looks like Campbell or Ball then! I think she has danced with Campbell before at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 It's not uncommon for dancers from other (British, especially) companies to drop in "rank" when joining the Royal Ballet: Sarah Lamb, Tamara Rojo, Alexander Campbell all did, and it doesn't seem to have harmed their careers. I think they usually end up at an appropriate level 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmeralda Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 9 hours ago, capybara said: Let's think about this..........James Hay has not been cast as Basilio so it is surely very unlikely that he would suddenly be given the role AND the cinema relay in one big jump, and with only one show before the broadcast too. I am sure that I've heard Kevin O'Hare explain that there is an expectation that the cinema audiences will see Principals and that, to balance this, he likes to field Soloists for Insight relays. Interesting. Would absolutely love this with seeing more of the Soloists in rehearsals but this season was - until now - mainly Principals. Though to be fair, the season is young and we had only 3 of them, but still only one soloist and one first soloist. Except I have forgotten about someone. Last season we really had some fantastic rehearsals with Soloists/First soloists like in the Nutcracker and even First Artists/Arists for Alice so I would really love it if O`Hare would give more time to the lower ranks in the Insights! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynette H Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 14 hours ago, capybara said: I am sure that I've heard Kevin O'Hare explain that there is an expectation that the cinema audiences will see Principals Perhaps, just as for The Unknown Soldier, where Naghdi took over Hayward's performances, there may be a similar style swap here with other casts rather than giving the broadcast to someone not previously cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonty Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I know someone who performed in the stage show. There, the casting directors were looking for singers who could dance. While it is a wonderful opportunity for those that have been cast, it seems odd to me that the film is casting dancers who are not exactly famous for their singing talents. I would have thought people who specialised in musical theatre would be more appropriate. People such as the Strallen sisters, who seem to pop up all over the place in these sorts of shows. I only mention them because they are the nieces of Bonnie Langford. Who was, of course, in the original show. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serenade Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 18 hours ago, LinMM said: Looks like Campbell or Ball then! I think she has danced with Campbell before at least. I really hope Campbell gets it but I think it's unlikely. Considering the hand he's been dealt recently I'm surprised they even cast him as Basilio at all!! 😡 But my ideal would be Osipova/Corrales for the cinema broadcast. I know he's first soloist now but maybe he'll be promoted by the time the cinema comes along haha! As for Cats...I think it's great Hayward, McRae and Cowley are cast. I love Cats and I'll definitely see it but with slight trepidation because I'm really not a fan of McGregor at all...who knows what direction he's going to take the choreography in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizbie1 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Fonty said: I know someone who performed in the stage show. There, the casting directors were looking for singers who could dance. While it is a wonderful opportunity for those that have been cast, it seems odd to me that the film is casting dancers who are not exactly famous for their singing talents. I'm not a fan of modern musical theatre singing, but in terms of the technique required there's a big difference between singing 6 or more live performances a week for a very long run and singing in the highly controlled environment of a recording studio. That might explain it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonty Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Lizbie1 said: I'm not a fan of modern musical theatre singing, but in terms of the technique required there's a big difference between singing 6 or more live performances a week for a very long run and singing in the highly controlled environment of a recording studio. That might explain it. Possibly. Presumably they had to sing for their audition. Did I see somewhere that Idris Elba is also in it? In that case, I will definitely go and see it. 👍 Edited November 11, 2018 by Fonty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Well, as so many roles in famous filmed musicals were not sung by the actor or dancer at all, but lip synced to the recorded score, I can't any reason why it may not be the same this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangorballetboy Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, Pas de Quatre said: Well, as so many roles in famous filmed musicals were not sung by the actor or dancer at all, but lip synced to the recorded score, I can't any reason why it may not be the same this time. Things have moved on quite a bit since Marnie Nixon’s days! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Fonty said: I know someone who performed in the stage show. There, the casting directors were looking for singers who could dance. While it is a wonderful opportunity for those that have been cast, it seems odd to me that the film is casting dancers who are not exactly famous for their singing talents. I would have thought people who specialised in musical theatre would be more appropriate 50 minutes ago, Pas de Quatre said: Well, as so many roles in famous filmed musicals were not sung by the actor or dancer at all, but lip synced to the recorded score, I can't any reason why it may not be the same this time. The Cats director, Tom Hooper, also directed the film of Les Miserables, and filled his cast with mostly actors who could sing rather than musical theatre stars, presumably to raise the profile of the film. I thought that it mostly worked fine and even though the singing wasn't as powerful as what you'd hear onstage (I was terribly disappointed by Hugh Jackman), it was still really interesting for me (some thought painful) to see actors like Russell Crowe sing, if not well, then still very emotionally. They can still put their own stamp on it. The cast also made a huge thing of not lip syncing, but singing live onset to give a more authentic performance - I'll be curious to see if the same goes for Cats, especially given the amount of dancing involved! I can't wait to see Idris Elba in this! Edited November 11, 2018 by Sunrise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangorballetboy Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sunrise said: The Cats director, Tom Hooper, also directed the film of Les Miserables, and filled his cast with mostly actors who could sing rather than musical theatre stars, presumably to raise the profile of the film. I thought that it mostly worked fine and even though the singing wasn't as powerful as what you'd hear onstage (I was terribly disappointed by Hugh Jackman), it was still really interesting for me (some thought painful) to see actors like Russell Crowe sing, if not well, then still very emotionally. They can still put their own stamp on it. The cast also made a huge thing of not lip syncing, but singing live onset to give a more authentic performance - I'll be curious to see if the same goes for Cats, especially given the amount of dancing involved! I can't wait to see Idris Elba in this! But Hugh Jackman has had quite a career in stage musicals - he won a Tony for The Boy from Oz and was nominated for an Olivier for Oklahoma!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, bangorballetboy said: But Hugh Jackman has had quite a career in stage musicals - he won a Tony for The Boy from Oz and was nominated for an Olivier for Oklahoma!. I know, that's why I was so disappointed, I knew he was an amazing singer and performer! But I felt that in "Who am I" in what should have been one of the most powerful moments in the film, he seemed to "say" his lines rather than sing them, so it sounded more "realistic" but it really destroyed the song for me (I'm probably too attached to the way it "should" be sung). By contrast, Russell Crowe doesn't have a musical theatre voice at all and was never going to rival the professionals, but the way he sang "Stars" was straightforward and heartfelt and it worked for me. In any case, I think that acting for a camera on a set requires very different skills to those needed on stage so it makes sense to me to fill the cast with as much acting talent as you can pack in! I mean Judy Dench, Ian McKellen, Idris Elba, etc etc! Edited November 11, 2018 by Sunrise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 20 hours ago, alison said: It's not uncommon for dancers from other (British, especially) companies to drop in "rank" when joining the Royal Ballet: Sarah Lamb, Tamara Rojo, Alexander Campbell all did, and it doesn't seem to have harmed their careers. I think they usually end up at an appropriate level Interestingly, Rojo was initially hired by the RB as a First Soloist but became a Principal before the start of her first season because a vacancy arose, or something. Was Alexandra Ansanelli another dancer who took a drop in rank to join the RB? Perhaps even Leanne Benjamin? Not so, however, were Kish (2010), Golding (2014) and, before them, Bonelli and Samodurov. William Bracewell came across from being a BRB Soloist to a Soloist contract with the RB, but was promoted after only one year. In the case of Corrales, it makes sense for him to get to know the RB rep. by dancing soloist roles (e.g. Hungarian Officer in Mayerling) as well as principal ones. Moreover, following his promotion to Principal at ENB, he only danced for about three months before being felled by injury, poor man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 minute ago, capybara said: Was Alexandra Ansanelli another dancer who took a drop in rank to join the RB? Perhaps even Leanne Benjamin? I think that's correct with Ansanelli. Sarah Lamb too? Also Cojocaru went from principal to go back in the corps! A drop in rank seems to be worth the risk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graemew Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Fonty said: Possibly. Presumably they had to sing for their audition. Did I see somewhere that Idris Elba is also in it? In that case, I will definitely go and see it. 👍 Frankie is a very talented lady - I bet she can sing! Steve McRae needs to be wary about visits to the vets! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMonk Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I'll admit I'm very happy about this news but at the same time I'm kind of annoyed at it because I was really looking forward to Don Q. Surely this has been something that's been in pre-production and casting for a while. I would understand why they would keep them on regular performances until announced, but a cinema relay must have been planned a while ago. I'll probably feel less annoyed once its announced McRae's been taken off Don Q. But for now he's still there and in limbo. I do look forward to the movie though. It was my Grandmothers favorite musical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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