RuthE Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 While I do appreciate and agree with the forum policy on naming dancers in full, in this case the identities of the dancers in question were fully explicit in the title of the YouTube clip itself. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 I didn't watch the YouTube clip. Those of us who are not RB regulars are in a similar situation to people who don't follow as closely other companies based in this country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LH Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 14 hours ago, John Mallinson said: Richard LH those photos shouldn't be posted without a credit. Certainly, with apologies: Hayward in "classic" roles 1. Francesca Hayward as the Sugar Plum Fairy in 'The Nutcracker' © Alice Pennefather, courtesy of ROH 2016 2. The Sleeping Beauty with Francesca Hayward as Princess Aurora and Alexander Campbell as Prince Florimund © ROH, Bill Cooper, 2017 3. Giselle with Alexander Campbell as Albrecht and Francesca Hayward as Giselle. © ROH, Helen Maybanks 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LH Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 14 hours ago, HappyTurk said: All classical roles are not the same. Even if one excels as Aurora (and fits the role), they may not be suited for Swan Lake or La Bayadere, for instance. I find that to be the case for Hayward. I would be interested to know why you suggest Hayward is not suited for Swan Lake or La Bayadere, which are both classic ballets based on choreography by Marius Petipa, when she has excelled by all accounts in 3 other classics (Sleeping Beauty, Nutcracker, and Giselle) based on the same choreographer (and in the case of Swan Lake and Sleeping Beauty/Nutcracker), the same composer. Yasmine Naghdi, Francesca Hayward and Olivia Cowley as Swans in Swan Lake © Dave Morgan, courtesy the Royal Opera House. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 RichardLH - are you by any chance Francesca Hayward's agent ? I don't know for how long you've been watching ballet but, when Marianela Nunez was much much younger, a lot of people couldn't understand why she wasn't cast in Swan Lake. But she made a triumphant debut eventually - and look how things are for her now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Richard LH said: she has excelled by all accounts in...Sleeping Beauty Not to be a nitpicker Richard LH, but just in the interests of accuracy, Hayward has danced Aurora just once in her career so far, at one single performance, or so I understand. Even allowing for the usual standards of ballet delicacy/tenderness/hyperbole, what is the evidence base for her "excelling" on this one and only occasion? In comparison with who or what? Do you mean she did jolly well, never having danced it in public before? She outclassed other current RB principals in the role? Or our memories of Fonteyn? I know people were pleased by the debut but not sure that is equivalent to what you have written. In any case "all accounts" is an overstatement: see for example Jonathan Gray in The Dancing Times. I get the argument you are making in general about classicism, btw. So apologies for concentrating on a minor aspect of what you wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Geoff said: Not to be a nitpicker Richard LH, but just in the interests of accuracy, Hayward has danced Aurora just once in her career so far, at one single performance, or so I understand. Even allowing for the usual standards of ballet delicacy/tenderness/hyperbole, what is the evidence base for her "excelling" on this one and only occasion? In comparison with who or what? Do you mean she did jolly well, never having danced it in public before? She outclassed other current RB principals in the role? Or our memories of Fonteyn? I know people were pleased by the debut but not sure that is equivalent to what you have written. In any case "all accounts" is an overstatement: see for example Jonathan Gray in The Dancing Times. I would support the statement that she 'excelled', simply in the sense that she was excellent. I don't think it always has to have comparative connotations with other people; just with a perceived standard of quality that has been surpassed. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharon Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 On 12/04/2018 at 11:05, LinMM said: Commenting on Sims ....having an occasional guest appearance as a special treat always welcome post ( wish the posts still had numbers) .....yes especially were it to be Shklyarov!!! I personally would love to have a guest artist from the Paris Opera - Hugo Marchand, Mathieu Ganio or Germain Louvet. And of the Paris Opera women I'd love to see the young New Zealander Hannah O'Neill. Can't remember the last time a Paris Opera dancer did guest at the Royal??? But I can dream..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LH Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, capybara said: RichardLH - are you by any chance Francesca Hayward's agent ? I wish ! 3 hours ago, capybara said: I don't know for how long you've been watching ballet About 12 years in all but much more intensively since the end of last year. 3 hours ago, capybara said: when Marianela Nunez was much much younger, a lot of people couldn't understand why she wasn't cast in Swan Lake. But she made a triumphant debut eventually - and look how things are for her now. Pretty fair! What you have referred to exemplifies that other great dancers don't all get what they (or perhaps we) want straightaway. That's sort of what I have been saying - whilst I'm a bit disappointed, I can understand why Hayward has not yet been cast in Swan Lake - indeed, I have speculated on one or two good reasons why that may be so, to date. For me, those reasons do not include, as a few people seem to suggest, the theory that somehow she is seen as inherently unsuitable for this role (or other classic roles). That's the suggetion I have challenged. Edited April 14, 2018 by Richard LH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I want to see Hayward and Naghdi and Takada (alphabetical order!) dance everything too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LH Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Geoff said: Not to be a nitpicker Richard LH I think this is being nitpickery, Geoff. As to "excelIed", bridiem puts it very well, but if you prefer, "all the reviews I have seen of Hayward's classic roles have been very favourable". Aurora included. I haven't seen the one you mention. I don't propose listing all her many "very favourable" reviews here as this would be leading us away from my main point i.e. that there is no inherent reason to think Hayward unsuited for such roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLOSS Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) I have to say I think that the fact that Hayward has not been cast to dance the lead in Swan Lake in the initial run of the new production has nothing to do with her suitability for the role and everything to do with the logistics of staging an entirely new production of Swan Lake . Preparing casts for a new production is not the same as preparing casts for a revival particularly when there appears to be new choreography and an entirely new fourth act to be staged .There is a limit to the number of casts who can be prepared for a revival but the time pressures involved in staging an entirely new production are considerably greater which is why we are not being treated to the number of debuts in role which we saw when Sleeping Beauty was last revived. The company has programmed twenty four performances of the ballet and announced six casts. If you want to fixate on the "missing" who you think should be making their debuts as Odette/Odile then perhaps you should add Stix-Brunell, Magri and Kaneko to the list. I know that Hayward is a principal dancer and the others are not but they must be in the running to make their debuts when the ballet is next revived. Perhaps management is being careful with its new principals to avoid burn out by overburdening them with new roles by focussing all their effort into developing one dancer as they may have done in the past. If you are of a cynical frame of mind then management is simply ensuring that they can entice us to buy tickets when the work is revived by offering a swathe of debuts in major roles. From a purely practical point of view as far as the initial run of performances is concerned management may have it in mind to cast the pas de trois and the Neapolitan dance from strength rather than for potential and intend to display a significant number of the "missing" in those sections of the ballet I don't think that anyone need have any fears for the future of a young principal who four years ago made everyone sit up and notice when she made her debut in the ballerina role in Rhapsody, followed that up by dancing her first Manon and Juliet with success and has since gone on to make successful debuts as SPF, Aurora, Lise. Titania and Giselle . We have no ides what management has in mind for her for the future except what has been revealed about the casting for the Autumn season which shows that both she and Naghdi are taking the lead in the new Marriott ballet. Perhaps we need to remember that Kevin is not only responsible for providing development opportunities for Hayward but for every other member of the company. This means that some of the roles in which she has shone will be handed to other eager young dancers so they have the opportunity to develop their careers. We may know more when we find out about the new McGregor work which will first be seen in Los Angeles this summer. By then we should have an idea of what is in store for her in the scheduled revival of Two Pigeons. I shall be very disappointed if she is not cast as the Young Girl in Pigeons and the white pas de deux in Les Patineurs. I suspect that Naghdi may dance one of the Blue Girls . I am not sure why some people have come to see any comparison of Hayward and Naghdi as an implied criticism of one or other of them. Every dancer is unique. Some are more gifted than others and repertory choices made by management have the capacity to make or mar a dancer's career. Please note I am not for one moment suggesting that Hayward and Naghdi are anything other than equally gifted young dancers who have already shown true artistry. As far as I am concerned each has her own unique combination of technique, musicality, sense of theatre. ability to engage with the audience and artistry. I look forward to seeing both of them in a wide range of repertory in the future. Both dancers have for me evoked memories of Sibley in contrasting roles created on her. Hayward did this when she danced Titania last summer. She was the first Titania for ages to capture the sensuality of the Queen of the Fairies through the pliancy of her upper body and luxurious epaulement. Naghdi was the first dancer for years to capture the essence of the ballerina's role in the choreography which Mac Millan's devised for the Kchessinskaya pas de deux . Dancing at short notice with minimal rehearsal time with James Hay they alone managed to recapture the grandeur of the piece as it was originally danced. For once a section of Anastasia which today generally looks so ugly and awkward that you start to wonder whether anyone ever managed to make it look anything other than a mess was transformed into what Andrew Porter once described as choreography which looked as if it been part of a long forgotten Petipa orientalist ballet. I shall be extremely happy if when Scenes de Ballet is revived we see both of then in the ballerina role. At the moment it may seem that one of them generally looks like the bright diamond of one half of the ballet and the other like the lustrous pearl of the other section but it will probably prove to be little more than a trick of the light or rather a result of management's casting decisions. Edited April 14, 2018 by FLOSS 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangorballetboy Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Sharon said: I personally would love to have a guest artist from the Paris Opera - Hugo Marchand, Mathieu Ganio or Germain Louvet. And of the Paris Opera women I'd love to see the young New Zealander Hannah O'Neill. Can't remember the last time a Paris Opera dancer did guest at the Royal??? But I can dream..... If you want to see POB dancers, it's quite easy to get to Paris. There is such a depth of quality at RB that I really don't see the need for guests. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 We don't need them, but as I said elsewhere it's nice to have the occasional guest as a special treat....like Shklyarov last night! 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LH Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 Floss I agree totally. Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed post which puts this all much better than I could have done, and with far greater insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, bangorballetboy said: If you want to see POB dancers, it's quite easy to get to Paris. Speak for yourself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LH Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 35 minutes ago, bangorballetboy said: If you want to see POB dancers, it's quite easy to get to Paris. Provided you have the wherewithal, the time, and France is not on strike.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharon Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, bangorballetboy said: If you want to see POB dancers, it's quite easy to get to Paris. There is such a depth of quality at RB that I really don't see the need for guests. Yes I know how easy it is to get to Paris thank you very much. But as Sim and some others spoke of Shklyarov guesting I was just contributing to the conversation - that is what this forum is for isn't it? I agree entirely that we have great dancers in the company but having occasional guests is exciting for the company and audience, well most of us anyway, if you don't like the guests you don't have to go watch them. I also love to hear and see photos of the RB dancers guesting abroad. It gives them the opportunity to experience something new and to earn some money. Edited April 14, 2018 by Sharon Typo 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliceinwoolfland Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Thank you for your thought provoking post Floss I feel so lucky that we have both Naghdi and Hayward! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Sharon said: But as Sim and some others spoke of Shklyarov guesting I was just contributing to the conversation - that is what this forum is for isn't it? Indeed, I was rather taken aback last night to hear hard core RB fans suggesting Shklyarov should become a permanent guest artist or even join the company outright. The company does indeed have a lot of young talent, but I've always considered it unwise to count chickens before they've hatched, just because a youngster looks promising it doesn't follow that they can carry a major ballet. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, MAB said: ...... just because a youngster looks promising it doesn't follow that they can carry a major ballet. So very true, MAB. I actually think that there quite a few Principals in various companies here and abroad who don't quite succeed in doing that despite years of experience in some cases. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyTurk Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just wondering, when does casting for the winter season usually come out? I'm really curious to see which cast will be shown in the cinemas for Don Quixote. I'm hoping I can see Corrales, but I don't know if they would broadcast a first soloist in the main lead? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penelopesimpson Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I so agree with you. I enjoy seeing the guests from other ballet companies. And, of course, it's a two-way street. I'm not so keen when somebody is semi-permanent fixture as seemed to be the case with Salenko a while back, but the memory of Shrklyarov will remain with me for many years, both for Manon and Marguerite and Armand. I was also keen to see David Halberg whose guesting was so unfortunately curtailed. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 11 hours ago, HappyTurk said: Just wondering, when does casting for the winter season usually come out? Mid to late July, I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 11 hours ago, HappyTurk said: but I don't know if they would broadcast a first soloist in the main lead? Very doubtful. I can't think of when they ever have....but that doesn't mean they haven't!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballerinette Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 On 11/4/2018 at 18:17, bangorballetboy said: Let's see if attaching the pdf works! casting-for-royal-ballet-performances-autumn-2018-19.pdf Thank you for uploading this. I can't wait to see La Bayadère. However, I was wondering how 'set in stone' is this casting announcement? I know that once it's on the website they don't change the cast, except if injuries happen. I am not from the UK and I'm thinking about planning a trip to London this autumn. Seeing Nunez and Osipova in the same production got me all excited! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 I think RB casting is generally reliable but nobody can plan for injury or sickness. Nunez/Osipova in Bayadere should be great - they were in Giselle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballerinette Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 5 hours ago, Shade said: I think RB casting is generally reliable but nobody can plan for injury or sickness. Nunez/Osipova in Bayadere should be great - they were in Giselle. Of course. I was asking outside of those things. I've only seen Nela's Giselle on DVD. I love her interpretation so much. Here, I really wonder about the dynamic between the both of them. As anyone seen Marianela as Nikya yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyTurk Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, ballerinette said: Of course. I was asking outside of those things. I've only seen Nela's Giselle on DVD. I love her interpretation so much. Here, I really wonder about the dynamic between the both of them. As anyone seen Marianela as Nikya yet? It'll be interesting to see which combo proves more satisfactory: Nunez as Nikiya and Osipova as Gamzatti or Osipova as Nikiya and Nunez as Gamzatti? I'm sure both will be great, though. Osipova's Nikiya at the Bolshoi is among my favorites and Nunez's Gamzatti as well. Edited April 15, 2018 by HappyTurk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Nunez's Gamzatti almost made me feel sorry for her! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyTurk Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 59 minutes ago, Sim said: Nunez's Gamzatti almost made me feel sorry for her! I agree! This is how I feel about Maria Alexandrova's, too. They are the only Gamzattis I have ever empathized with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Olga Chenchikova's, too. She gave the impression that snagging Solor was almost some sort of last chance for her. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just pencilled the dates for the Nutcracker into the diary and realised how oddly un-Christmassy they are: a mere smattering throughout December then a fairly solid run in January! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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