loveclassics Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 22 hours ago, Fonty said: I am surprised that Bussell was doing the coaching. I thought she was miscast in the role, it didn't seem to suit her at all. I know we are always being told that today's dancers are so much stronger technically, but I thought she struggled with the choreography when I saw her. Just goes to show what a wonderful dancer Fonteyn was, something that today's youngsters don't always appreciate. I was surprised about this too. I was at the first night of the 2004 revival and she wasn't really at home in the role. The critics were kind, making allowances for understandable nerves (she had just returned after the birth of her second daughter) but even to my inexperienced eye, the pizzicato solo in the 3rd Act was quite an ordeal and she was visibly relieved when she managed to finish in time to the music. She was fun in the 2nd Act, though, playing at being seductive, and I'm sure she pressed grapes into a goblet before handing it to Orion. Maybe my memory is fault - does anyone have the DVD of the performance when she was partnered by Bolle? But I have a nasty feeling that the ROH management is trying to get as many 'likes' as possible by using her in the YouTube film. Her Strictly fame seems to be ensuring that she remains the only ballerina the Great British Public is aware of. Linda 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiz Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I saw this performance too and I felt that Darcey looked distinctly uncomfortable in the role. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 hours ago, loveclassics said: I was surprised about this too. I was at the first night of the 2004 revival and she wasn't really at home in the role. The critics were kind, making allowances for understandable nerves (she had just returned after the birth of her second daughter) but even to my inexperienced eye, the pizzicato solo in the 3rd Act was quite an ordeal and she was visibly relieved when she managed to finish in time to the music. She was fun in the 2nd Act, though, playing at being seductive, and I'm sure she pressed grapes into a goblet before handing it to Orion. Maybe my memory is fault - does anyone have the DVD of the performance when she was partnered by Bolle? But I have a nasty feeling that the ROH management is trying to get as many 'likes' as possible by using her in the YouTube film. Her Strictly fame seems to be ensuring that she remains the only ballerina the Great British Public is aware of. Linda Took a look at my DVD of this and I didn't see any grapes, Orion had a bottle of wine ready for his seduction. On reflection, Bussell isn't too bad as she certainly looks like an athletic huntress, but Ashtonian she is not and I winced at how high her legs went in places, she didn't look right in the last act at all. Bolle however is very good, I mean if anyone could distract a virgin acolyte from her duties............ 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveclassics Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Thank you Mab, my memory is obviously at fault. Liked your comment about Bolle, though. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyTaylor Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I went to the first night and can empathise with and am also amused by many of the comments already made. In my view, Marianela sparkled her way through what is a very difficult role and Vadim was beyond marvellous in Act 3. I'd like to mention Valentino Zucchetti who I thought was brilliant as Eros, in what must be one of the most thankless roles in the repetoire. He really commanded the stage and his dancing was of very high standard. Yes, the story is very silly, but having chosen to attend a performance, you probably need to embrace that, and try to immerse yourself in how it was meant to be in the time it was created. The music of course, is sublime. Claire Calvert posted the most beautiful photo of Sylvia's attendants. Hope I can post it as it is in the public domain. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulff Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 On 24/11/2017 at 16:26, Geoff said: I saw Nunez at the dress rehearsal and again last night, on opening night. There is true glory in her performance but I have no idea how authentic what she was doing was, either to the 19th century inspiration or to Ashton. A lot was very big (rather like a Balanchine dancer I felt). Which may have been because she is a huntress. Or it may have been because, according to the programme, the coaching was by Bussell (never my idea of an Ashton dancer). In any case both she and Muntagirov showed themselves to have mastered the very difficult choreography, not so some of e.g. the corps (but I am pleased they are trying to do it, as learning the steps and the style will surely help to further raise the overall standard). And not only the goats. As Mary wrote earlier, "It is an entertainment, of a fabulously delightful kind. It is comedy, not tragedy". If I had any overall observation, it would be that on opening night the comedy was not pointed as much as it might have been. Today's audience needs even more help - as comments here have shown - to understand the parody elements, the jokes, and indeed the overall light-heartedness. I think there is a risk that audiences may just look at the scenery and make assumptions about old-fashioned solemnity, which would be to miss the point. The music makes it all clear, of course, but not everyone trusts their ears these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Wulff, did you want to reply to the post you quoted above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulff Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 What Nunez was doing was authentic Ashton, and she was doing what Fonteyn did in the role. The only difference was that she has a naturally bigger jump than Fonteyn. The steps in act1 portray the dancers as huntresses and and are not influenced either by Balanchine or Darcey Bussell. Incidentally, regarding the music.When Tchaikowsky heard it, he admired it so much that he said that he would not have dared to compose Swan Lake if he had heard it earlier. Also the score of Sylvia was quite revolutionary in its time. Delibes was an admirer of Wagner and the score incorporates a number of Leitmotivs, which was unusual for ballet music of that period.. It also strikes me that the entree and pas des chasseresses, is a sort of gallic Ride of the Valkyries. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPD444 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I wonder if we are not being over critical about the “story” being silly. No one accuses Wagner’s ring cycle of being a silly story but that’s about Gods and stuff. Personally, I loved the music; the corps danced beautifully, Vadim didn’t have much to do but did it really well and Nela was wonderful; total command of the stage, I am not an Ashton expert but it looked pretty good to me and that smile is just fantastic. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 41 minutes ago, SPD444 said: ....... Vadim didn’t have much to do but did it really well .......... "Really well" feels like a bit of an understatement Muntagirov's glorious dancing and believable characterisation gave manly life to what is a rotten leading role. It's rare to see such glowing reviews for Aminta and his performance richly deserves everything that is being said. I feel we are so lucky to have him at the RB. He is an absolute STAR. [I've been holding back from commenting on Sylvia so far because I usually like to see more than one cast before venturing to write anything. But, now that I have, I must add that I loved every minute of it. More later in the week. ] 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I should have added to my post immediately above regarding Muntagirov: "Who better to have the accolade of the centre page colour spread in last Thursday's Guardian?" 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stucha Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 17 hours ago, Wulff said: Incidentally, regarding the music.When Tchaikowsky heard it, he admired it so much that he said that he would not have dared to compose Swan Lake if he had heard it earlier. He also said that, having seen it, Sylvia was one those ballets where the sole interest lies in the music. (!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewCo Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, SPD444 said: I wonder if we are not being over critical about the “story” being silly. No one accuses Wagner’s ring cycle of being a silly story but that’s about Gods and stuff. Personally, I loved the music; the corps danced beautifully, Vadim didn’t have much to do but did it really well and Nela was wonderful; total command of the stage, I am not an Ashton expert but it looked pretty good to me and that smile is just fantastic. I'm envious reading all these reports...I have only seen Ashton's Sylvia with ABT--I wish I could see it with the Royal. I love this ballet. And reading this thread, I found myself wondering not about Wagner exactly, but about other mythological and/or faux-Renaissance paintings and poems from the 18th and 19th centuries. Artists often work with outdated materials that, on one level, neither they nor their audiences take seriously anymore. Though on other levels they might. Ashton seems to be conjuring what was already in the nineteenth century an ironic and sensual appropriation of Renaissance material that had itself appropriated much older materials. (Floss made what I understood as a related point, but in terms of ballet history.) Nor are the themes of the material all that silly. I love the way Terpsichore is poised at the center of the goddesses in the ballet's final tableau as if to say "Dance" is the force that can bring together all the opposing energies let loose in this ballet whether Diana with Eros or the discipline of agriculture (the human workers or the goddess Demeter) with Bachanalian excess. In dance, in ballet, these are all fused. All the times I have seen Sylvia (not all equally good performances of course) I thought it managed to feel urbane and other-worldly all at once. It seems serious because of its playfulness not in spite of it. And always joyful. The story feels part of that--not as key as the fusion of the ballet's music and choreography, but I would have said not dispensable either. Edited November 28, 2017 by DrewCo 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 That's a point: has Osipova already danced the role with ABT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I had to thin out my programmes when we last redecorated and I am struggling to remember the various casts for the three main characters in Sylvia: I have got as far as: 2004 and 2005 Bussell/Cope/ ? then Bussell/Bolle/Soares Yanowsky/Makhateli/Avis Nunez/Pennefather/? 2010 Nunez/Pennefather/ ?Soares or Avis (there are pictures of Nunez with Avis) Lamb/?/? Cuthbertson/Polunin/? ? Yanowsky/Makhateli/Avis 2017 Nunez/Muntagirov/Soares Cuthbertson/Clarke/Kish Osipova/Bonelli/Hirano People often seem to speak on here about accessing archives but I have been unsuccessful so far via ROH Collections Online. Please would readers be so kind as to help fill in the blanks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
now voyager Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, alison said: That's a point: has Osipova already danced the role with ABT? No, she was scheduled to, but did not dance it with ABT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Newcombe Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 There is a clip on UTube of a 10 year old Osipova dancing the pizzicati solo. Scary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonty Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Who, of the current principals, most resembles Fonteyn, do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) 40 minutes ago, capybara said: I had to thin out my programmes when we last redecorated and I am struggling to remember the various casts for the three main characters in Sylvia: I have got as far as: 2004 and 2005 Bussell/Cope/ ? then Bussell/Bolle/Soares Yanowsky/Makhateli/Avis Nunez/Pennefather/? My programme cast sheet from 4th November 2004 lists Bussell/Cope/Soares. Funny, I don't remember them in it at all, but I do remember seeing Nunez/Pennefather and a frustrating blank in the role of Orion! I think Samodurov or Jose Martin may have danced Orion at some point. Checking the programme and cast list more closely, Martin was actually a goat at the above mentioned performance and Samodurov's photo and biography is one of a few selected in the programme, so he must have been the third Orion. Edited November 28, 2017 by Darlex Extra info found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Capybara - here's all the info you need. Check the 1952 production and you will find what you are looking for. http://www.rohcollections.org.uk/work.aspx?work=1419&row=59&letter=S&genre=Ballet& Edited November 28, 2017 by Darlex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 42 minutes ago, Tony Newcombe said: There is a clip on UTube of a 10 year old Osipova dancing the pizzicati solo. Scary! Might you post a link? I know the clip of the (I think) 12 year old Osipova doing Kitri's fan variation but am having trouble finding this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josephine Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, capybara said: People often seem to speak on here about accessing archives but I have been unsuccessful so far via ROH Collections Online. Please would readers be so kind as to help fill in the blanks? The link is here: http://rohcollections.org.uk/production.aspx?production=1470&row=0 Edited November 28, 2017 by Josephine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, capybara said: I had to thin out my programmes when we last redecorated and I am struggling to remember the various casts for the three main characters in Sylvia: I have got as far as: 2004 and 2005 Bussell/Cope/ ? then Bussell/Bolle/Soares Yanowsky/Makhateli/Avis Nunez/Pennefather/? I saw Bussell/Cope/Soares in 2004 but not sure about the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mallinson Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2008 Lamb/Bonelli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 54 minutes ago, Darlex said: Capybara - here's all the info you need. Check the 1952 production and you will find what you are looking for. http://www.rohcollections.org.uk/work.aspx?work=1419&row=59&letter=S&genre=Ballet& Thank you so much, Darlex. This is the website I found but I didn't realise that, for a 'realisation' in 2004, I needed to click 1952! ! ! So, to update my previous list: 2004 and 2005 Bussell/Cope/Soares then Bussell/Bolle/Soares Yanowsky/Makhateli/Avis Nunez/Pennefather/Samodurov 2008 Nunez/Makhateli or Pennefather/Soares Lamb/Bonelli/Samodurov or Gartside Cuthbertson/Makhateli/Avis 2010 Nunez/Pennefather/ Avis Lamb/Bonell/Gartside Cuthbertson/Polunin/Whitehead Yanowsky/Makhateli/Soares 2017 Nunez/Muntagirov/Soares Cuthbertson/Clarke/Kish Osipova/Bonelli/Hirano 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 On 28 November 2017 at 19:38, Geoff said: Might you post a link? I know the clip of the (I think) 12 year old Osipova doing Kitri's fan variation but am having trouble finding this one. Not sure how to link here but if you google YouTube osipova at her start it should come up. It is on the same clip as the Kitri. Adorable as is the Paquita. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Just copy and paste the URL from your browser's URL field into your post. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mummykool Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I think you are referring to is this one :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg9QTIoBSuA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Any comments on the Lauren/Reece cast please? A friend told me that Reece 'nailed it'......but that's all I've heard so far!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Newcombe Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 He and Lauren most certainly did 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beryl H Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Sylvia always makes me feel very sentimental, I saw it at the ROH in 1965 on my second trip to the ballet, and was enchanted by it and have been ever since, I was very happy with last night's performance, I have booked for all 3 casts but if I could only have gone once it would have been to this one, the first time I have seen Lauren Cuthbertson as Sylvia and thought she was beautiful in the role, Reece Clarke gave an outstanding debut, hope there are some photos of them. In fact everyone seemed to be dancing well and enjoying themselves and Nehemiah Kish was back as Orion! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) I was planning not to write much until I had seen all three casts but, since you ask, Sim........ I thought that Reece Clarke made a very assured debut indeed as Aminta last night. He inhabited the role, danced really well and complemented his Sylvia in the pas de deux with great consideration and confidence. Last season he was an 'emerging artist' in the eyes of the critics. Last night, he showed everyone that he had well and truly 'arrived'. Edited November 30, 2017 by capybara 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillykins Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 It was a really enjoyable evening. The Opera House was packed with happy people and there was such an atmosphere of support for the cast. Reece Clarke was superb, beautiful lines, terrific elevation and lovely ports de bras. He was a real character too and worked beautifully with Lauren who made a convincing huntress. Loved her when she was getting Orion drunk. Enjoyed the slaves too, am enjoying following Calvin Richardson’s progress. Hinkis and Kay were delightful goats! Poor Valentino was trembling a bit at the start when he was a statue, perhaps he was cold! However lovely neat feet as the cloaked figure. What a silly plot but such fun, Ashton created such beautiful choreography and used the leitmotifs so well. I wish the last Act was still in Greek costume but the tutus are so pretty! Sets magnificent and really worked so smoothly. Thanks to all the company and musicians for giving me a magical evening. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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