bridiem Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 hours ago, fromthebalcony said: No, obviously not. My point was that I do empathize with him. Again, dancers give up much of their lives to dance for a living, and it is sad they cannot afford to live where they work. There have been plenty of threads here on dancers' salaries. For some, it is difficult to even make ends meet. I do not agree with much that Polunin has to say, but I understand this lament. They also by the nature of the job work late into the evening (in a very physical occupation) and so it's not good if they then have a long journey home or have unsatisfactory/insecure accommodation. And by the mere fact that they are working as professional dancers, they must be incredibly talented (even at the 'lowest' level). So I also empathize with him in this respect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharon Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 hours ago, fromthebalcony said: No, obviously not. My point was that I do empathize with him. Again, dancers give up much of their lives to dance for a living, and it is sad they cannot afford to live where they work. There have been plenty of threads here on dancers' salaries. For some, it is difficult to even make ends meet. I do not agree with much that Polunin has to say, but I understand this lament. 15 minutes ago, bridiem said: They also by the nature of the job work late into the evening (in a very physical occupation) and so it's not good if they then have a long journey home or have unsatisfactory/insecure accommodation. And by the mere fact that they are working as professional dancers, they must be incredibly talented (even at the 'lowest' level). So I also empathize with him in this respect. Yes there has been lot's to discussions regarding dancers low pay. It is low. But so are lot's of people's. Dancers are not the only people in London, or the UK who are underpaid. Or the only people who have to travel a fair way after finishing work. I love dance - enough to have wanted a career in it, and believe you me my teachers never failed to inform/warn us that it was a short career, that very few made it & it was very badly paid. But we loved it enough to continue. And it was all true. Is it fair that these exceptional dancers have to struggle? No. But I would strongly argue that it's not fair that bin men, teachers, all health care workers - anyone who works hard, or is overworked, is underpaid and therefore finds it a struggle - never mind being unable to buy accommodation in one of the most expensive cities in the world... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Sharon said: Yes there has been lot's to discussions regarding dancers low pay. It is low. But so are lot's of people's. Dancers are not the only people in London, or the UK who are underpaid. Or the only people who have to travel a fair way after finishing work. I love dance - enough to have wanted a career in it, and believe you me my teachers never failed to inform/warn us that it was a short career, that very few made it & it was very badly paid. But we loved it enough to continue. And it was all true. Is it fair that these exceptional dancers have to struggle? No. But I would strongly argue that it's not fair that bin men, teachers, all health care workers - anyone who works hard, or is overworked, is underpaid and therefore finds it a struggle - never mind being unable to buy accommodation in one of the most expensive cities in the world... I completely agree with you, Sharon. A lot of what I think are the most important jobs are amongst the least well paid (and vice versa). But I can understand why Polunin would be frustrated at the situation in respect of dancers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penelopesimpson Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 59 minutes ago, Jan McNulty said: So why bother reading the interviews or the thread? To state the obvious, because I am interested in dance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penelopesimpson Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 49 minutes ago, bridiem said: They also by the nature of the job work late into the evening (in a very physical occupation) and so it's not good if they then have a long journey home or have unsatisfactory/insecure accommodation. And by the mere fact that they are working as professional dancers, they must be incredibly talented (even at the 'lowest' level). So I also empathize with him in this respect. Err, the same would apply to nurses, bus drivers, hospital porters, cleaners, etc...... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, penelopesimpson said: Err, the same would apply to nurses, bus drivers, hospital porters, cleaners, etc...... Yes - see my post further up. But also previous comments re the length and rigour of dancers' training, the shortness of their careers, and the exceptional level of talent required. I realise that if society doesn't really value dancers (as it clearly doesn't really value many other jobs, for reasons I fail to understand), that will be reflected in their pay. I personally do value them and so would like to see them being better paid. But that's not really the point - I just understand why Polunin might feel that dancers don't earn enough. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 8 hours ago, penelopesimpson said: To state the obvious, because I am interested in dance. I go on another Forum and only read threads on there that interest me. If I have lost interest in a topic I stop following it. I wouldn't be bothered reading interviews by someone who only repeats the same thing over and over again... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 9 hours ago, penelopesimpson said: Agreed. The trouble is that with him lamenting is on repeat play... The repetitive behaviour is, apparently, infectious — criticising him is also on repeat play… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 He was in the audience at the gala last night, looking very handsome in a lovely suit. I wonder if there is a little piece of him that misses dancing on that stage. I thank the ballet gods for sending Vadream to fill the gap! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penelopesimpson Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Jan McNulty said: I go on another Forum and only read threads on there that interest me. If I have lost interest in a topic I stop following it. I wouldn't be bothered reading interviews by someone who only repeats the same thing over and over again... I suppose with me its the triumph of hope over experience! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penelopesimpson Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 44 minutes ago, Amelia said: The repetitive behaviour is, apparently, infectious — criticising him is also on repeat play… Or, commenting on a discussion forum..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 6 hours ago, Sim said: I thank the ballet gods for sending Vadream to fill the gap! Vadream isn't filling any gaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Well that's your opinion Alison. In my opinion he certainly is. I and many others would have felt bereft of a great male classical dancer after Polunin left had it not been for Vadim's presence in the company. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) Sergei Polunin is a wonderfully talented dancer. Vadim Muntagirov is a wonderfully talented dancer. They come across to me like chalk and cheese - both as artists and as people, although I feel that our focus should always be on what dancers show us on stage. I'd be very happy if we could see them both on a regular basis but, since one has unfortunately opted out to a significant extent, I am completely happy that the RB has Muntagirov who is, in my view, a superlative dancer - nay a GREAT one who I value in his own right. Also IMO, the RB's cupboard would currently be looking classically very bare if he were not there - even though Ball, Clarke, Bracewell, Ella (and Hay last night) also float my boat. Indeed, it is doubtful whether the new Swan Lake would have got off to the flying start it did with the critics (and most of the audience) if anyone else had been cast as Siegfried. Edited May 31, 2018 by capybara 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 My point was that Muntagirov doesn't merit being regarded as a mere "gap-filler" by anyone 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Who said the word 'mere' ? All I said was that, in the absence of one fabulous classical dancer, we were very lucky to get another one of equal stature to fill the void left by the first one, and so quickly. That doesn't often happen in a ballet company. I don't think anyone would or could ever consider Vadim "a mere gap filler". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 "Right" said Fred "Let's have a cup of tea!" Sorry this song just popped into my head at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Polunin has just had his makeup done by make up artist Lisa Eldridge who I follow on Instagram- it’s for Vogue Germany. Pretty striking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ng Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 https://www.thefashionisto.com/sergei-polunin-2018-hunger-tv-video/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Macmillan Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 If this is correct, it seems that he - and Misty Copeland - will feature in the 2019 Pirelli Calendar: http://www.irishnews.com/magazine/entertainment/2018/07/26/news/in-pictures-tyre-maker-pirelli-showcases-stars-of-2019-calendar-1392045/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 And Calvin Royal III! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mallinson Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Also a piece in the New York Times that I didn't put in the links today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveclassics Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 " Sergei Polunin, a dancer" Ouch! Linda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Ouch indeed. Obviously not someone the reader is expected to have heard of, otherwise they'd have called him "the dancer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted September 4, 2018 Author Share Posted September 4, 2018 Sergei Polunin is confirmed to perform as Jean de Brienne in Ray Barra's Raymonda on 6 October and 10 October 2018:https://www.staatsoper.de/en/your-visit/aktuelles/meldung/news/upcoming-performances-with-sergei-polunin-und-natalia-osipova.html?no_cache=1&cHash=671f6c0dedd863ed3c62c4bb762e6c8f 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penelopesimpson Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 21 hours ago, Amelia said: Sergei Polunin is confirmed to perform as Jean de Brienne in Ray Barra's Raymonda on 6 October and 10 October 2018:https://www.staatsoper.de/en/your-visit/aktuelles/meldung/news/upcoming-performances-with-sergei-polunin-und-natalia-osipova.html?no_cache=1&cHash=671f6c0dedd863ed3c62c4bb762e6c8f I shan't be rushing...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penelopesimpson Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 On 26/07/2018 at 23:56, loveclassics said: " Sergei Polunin, a dancer" Ouch! Linda allegedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ng Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Sergei here in a fashion shoot for this autumn. https://www.thefashionisto.com/balmain-fall-2018-mens-campaign/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmhopton Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Sergei's 'Documentary portrait' Dancer (quoting Radio Times) is being shown this Saturday 22nd on BBC2 at 11pm -12.20am. English/Russian/Ukraine + subtitles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) There is quite a nice two page article about Polunin in the week's Radio Times. Nothing new really, but quite a positive tone, admitting he made mistakes in his younger years and not blaming the Royal Ballet at all, in fact thanking them for their support. Edited November 10, 2018 by Pas de Quatre Spelling 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penelopesimpson Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Is he quite well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Perhaps just growing older and wiser! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Link to the Radio Times article: https://www.radiotimes.com/news/film/2018-11-14/sergei-polunin-the-nutcracker/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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