David Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Thank you Beryl H. As RMM1 says it will probably be repeated eventually and I’ll certainly look out for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 2 hours ago, David said: They didn’t have the benefit of the forensic examination of Mary’s remains in 1992/3 or Mary’s farewell letters discovered only 2 years ago but as far as I can see all the subsequent evidence has supported the MacMillan/Freeman narrative. It was a remarkable piece of research! Incidentally, when I get the RB programme tomorrow I will be interested to see if it has been up-dated to take account of the public release of Mary’s letters since the last time it was performed by the Company. Do please let us know, David. I can't remember whether I have my Mayerling programme here or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 When I came back from Vienna .....about 20 yrs ago now ....I kept seeking out places in London which served that rich hot chocolate with cream and naughty but very very nice cakes ....there's a couple of places still going in Knightsbridge I think ....one may be called Richelieux ....but not sure. I remember standing for ages on this bridge over the Danube .....rather brownish looking river though! I'd always wanted to see it. I was with a ballet friend at the time and we did take to a bit of waltzing around I seem to remember......as you do as a Brit abroad.....seriously though such a spacious city and got that right in the middle of a vast continent feel there. i need to go back sometime as didn't see the ballet company on that trip as they were away touring!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHazell2 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I always wanted to go to Vienna. All that culture and history 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 And all those cobbles! My feet didn't speak to the rest of me for at least a month after a week of pounding the cobbles in Vienna. It's a wonderful city though. I loved Demmel the best out of the cafes we tried. We saved up to go there... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 My memories of being there in December are of staggering from gluhwein booth to gluhwein booth..as well as the fabulous food in Demmel, how I love those cafes; and a magical Nutcracker, possibly the coldest night I ever experienced, - wearing my pyjamas under my clothes in the Opera House! if you haven't read it I recommend reading Edmund de Waal's The Hare with Amber Eyes- family memoir of a Viennese family- but it is melancholy and tragic ( a whole culture-Jewish-intellectual- cultured- was wiped out by the Nazis, which really explains the dark side of the place which everyone notices ) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
standingticket Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) The line up for tomorrow's opening night has just had me shell out more than I've ever spent on a ticket (the clue is probably in my username)...I have every confidence it will be worth every penny and am so excited! Edited April 27, 2017 by standingticket Clarity 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penelopesimpson Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 1 hour ago, standingticket said: The line up for tomorrow's opening night has just had me shell out more than I've ever spent on a ticket (the clue is probably in my username)...I have every confidence it will be worth every penny and am so excited! It is an incredible line-up, isn't it? Seven Principals? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Technically eight if you count Gary coz he's said he's playing Bay Middleton tomorrow night - and what's the betting that another Principal Character Artist will be cast as the Emperor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Q Fan Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I am feeling the need to visit Vienna again soon. I loved the Cafe Sacher and give me a Wiener Schnitzel any day! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivy Lin Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 7 hours ago, David said: Talking about historical inaccuracies, I don’t think the amazing Freeman/MacMillan reconstruction has been properly recognized - sifting through all the varying, often conflicting accounts, memoires, biographies, police and medical records available to them at the time, rejecting speculation regarding political assassination, botched abortion and the like and settling on the narrative outlined in the Ballet. They didn’t have the benefit of the forensic examination of Mary’s remains in 1992/3 or Mary’s farewell letters discovered only 2 years ago but as far as I can see all the subsequent evidence has supported the MacMillan/Freeman narrative. It was a remarkable piece of research! Incidentally, when I get the RB programme tomorrow I will be interested to see if it has been up-dated to take account of the public release of Mary’s letters since the last time it was performed by the Company. But the films in 1936 and 1968 also followed the murder/suicide pact. I think that was always the theory about what happened at the hunting lodge, given things Mary had said to her family and confidantes around the time. Also, Rudolf had wanted the suicide pact with another mistress. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninamargaret Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 On a slightly frivolous note,when I made my bookings in December to see all four casts I was unable to get any side stalls circle seats on the left side for any performance. I like to try and sit on different sides for different performances so that I can see what happens on both sides of the stage. I have noticed before that left hand seats are more difficult to get - do you think this is connected to the easier access to the Paul Hamlyn bar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Newcombe Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 It is for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mallinson Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Now that the waiting is (almost) over, Dave Morgan has started a new 'Mayerling in performance' topic, kicking off with some fine photos from Foteini Christofilopoulou by courtesy of DanceTabs. I've renamed this one to 'Mayerling, in anticipation'. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 5 hours ago, penelopesimpson said: It is an incredible line-up, isn't it? Seven Principals? :gnashes teeth: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesrhblack Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 13 minutes ago, alison said: :gnashes teeth: And thrilled that my splendid mezzo-soprano Catherine Carby is Katharina Schratt :-) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 7 hours ago, Mary said: My memories of being there in December are of staggering from gluhwein booth to gluhwein booth..as well as the fabulous food in Demmel, how I love those cafes; and a magical Nutcracker, possibly the coldest night I ever experienced, - wearing my pyjamas under my clothes in the Opera House! if you haven't read it I recommend reading Edmund de Waal's The Hare with Amber Eyes- family memoir of a Viennese family- but it is melancholy and tragic ( a whole culture-Jewish-intellectual- cultured- was wiped out by the Nazis, which really explains the dark side of the place which everyone notices ) Thanks Mary. I read that book a few years ago and loved it; I will read it again after my trip! Sounds like I had better start saving for Demmel! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toursenlair Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Sim said: Thanks Mary. I read that book a few years ago and loved it; I will read it again after my trip! Sounds like I had better start saving for Demmel! Demmel's not that expensive. If you're only there for three days, my tactic is usually to dispense with real food altogether (ok maybe a schnitzel at t he Palmenhaus...) and just eat cake. Seriously, it won't kill one, will it, for three days? and otherwise how can you visit all those cafes? I feel one is insulting Viennese culture if one neglects to take advantage of these things. Edited April 28, 2017 by toursenlair 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penelopesimpson Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 12 hours ago, ninamargaret said: On a slightly frivolous note,when I made my bookings in December to see all four casts I was unable to get any side stalls circle seats on the left side for any performance. I like to try and sit on different sides for different performances so that I can see what happens on both sides of the stage. I have noticed before that left hand seats are more difficult to get - do you think this is connected to the easier access to the Paul Hamlyn bar? I was unable to get any seats for anywhere when booking opened! I had to push and shove and scream and wail and then Alison told me at 10.00 there was another load of seats so I just bought up everything I could see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmhopton Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 13 hours ago, ninamargaret said: On a slightly frivolous note,when I made my bookings in December to see all four casts I was unable to get any side stalls circle seats on the left side for any performance. I like to try and sit on different sides for different performances so that I can see what happens on both sides of the stage. I have noticed before that left hand seats are more difficult to get - do you think this is connected to the easier access to the Paul Hamlyn bar? I think this is almost certainly so. I know I always try and get left hand side seats for this reason if I can as I often meet people in the interval. Obviously the quality of the seats are the main concern but if there are 2 similar seats on left and right I tend to go for the left ones. Side stalls circle especially you can be up the side stairs to the Floral hall and up the escalator to the terrace while people on the right might still be in the auditorium. Having said that it can depend on the ballet staging and if there are things on stage that would be difficult to see from the left then I would always choose the right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 9 hours ago, toursenlair said: Demmel's not that expensive. If you're only there for three days, my tactic is usually to dispense with real food altogether (ok maybe a schnitzel at t he Palmenhaus...) and just eat cake. Seriously, it won't kill one, will it, for three days? and otherwise how can you visit all those cafes? I feel one is insulting Viennese culture if one neglects to take advantage of these things. That sounds like advice that I will be very happy to follow, Katherine!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penelopesimpson Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 39 minutes ago, jmhopton said: I think this is almost certainly so. I know I always try and get left hand side seats for this reason if I can as I often meet people in the interval. Obviously the quality of the seats are the main concern but if there are 2 similar seats on left and right I tend to go for the left ones. Side stalls circle especially you can be up the side stairs to the Floral hall and up the escalator to the terrace while people on the right might still be in the auditorium. Having said that it can depend on the ballet staging and if there are things on stage that would be difficult to see from the left then I would always choose the right. Do you mean left as looking from the stage or from looking to the stage from the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthE Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) On 27/04/2017 at 19:30, David said: Technically eight if you count Gary coz he's said he's playing Bay Middleton tomorrow night - and what's the betting that another Principal Character Artist will be cast as the Emperor? Just home from first night. Not even only *technically* eight: Ryoichi Hirano was one of the Hungarian Officers. Plus *four* Principal Character Artists: Gary Avis (Bay Middleton), Christopher Saunders (the Emperor), Elizabeth McGorian (Helene Vetsera) and Alastair Marriott (Count Eduard Taafe). Edited April 28, 2017 by RuthE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 On 27 April 2017 at 01:02, toursenlair said: There are organized coach half-day trips that leave from in front of the opera house, go into the Vienna woods, stop at Heiligenkreuz Abbey (which is quite lovely) for a tour, then proceed on to Mayerling, where there is a visitor centre. Mayerling is a must-see for ballet lovers or people interested in the Hapsburgs Although the Wikipedia articles about the tragedy are rather confusingly put together, they are informative and worth looking at. Mary Vetsera is of course not buried at Mayerling but down the road at Heiligenkreuz (not at the monastery but in the public graveyard about fifteen minutes walk away). The monastery has been doing rather well, also musically, as this article from last year in the Catholic Herald explains:- http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/march-25th-2016/a-hot-spot-for-spirituality/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 A topic has been started to specifically discuss the performances now that the run has started. Please use that thread to talk about the performances: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beryl H Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 On 27/04/2017 at 04:19, RMM1 said: I enjoyed it, but I don't know enough on the subject to know whether it was accurate or not. I am sure you will not have to wait too long for it to be repeated on BBC4. This posting refers to a 3 part BBC4 documentary about Mayerling, which was mentioned during the recent run, and I have just noticed that episode 1 is on BBC4 tonight at 8pm, which means that the episode that covers Mayerling will be on in 2 week's time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Beryl H said: This posting refers to a 3 part BBC4 documentary about Mayerling, which was mentioned during the recent run, and I have just noticed that episode 1 is on BBC4 tonight at 8pm, which means that the episode that covers Mayerling will be on in 2 week's time. Thank you Beryl H - I hadn't noticed that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 What?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Oh, I thought you meant the ballet http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p046dkrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Interesting to note, from today's Links, that Houston Ballet's new production of Mayerling has different costumes. Is this the first time the Geordiadis designs haven't been used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Macmillan Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Alison: It may be that some costumes were lost or damaged when the Wortham Theater was flooded. But if their Mayerling costumes were in their Warehouse, they would apparently have been unscathed. I repeat a link from the time that's not entirely clear as regards Mayerling: https://www.broadwayworld.com/houston/article/Houston-Ballet-Announces-Updates-and-Performance-Cancellations-Due-to-Hurricane-Harvey-20170830 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Yes, I remember that link, Ian, but the timescale would surely be far too short for a wholesale design change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Perhaps they had to mix and match. I remember years ago when NB lost a lot of costumes in a fire some simple white shirts were apparently bought urgently from BHS and modified for R&J. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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